ALEC HOGG: Jim Wallis from Sojourners has just facilitated/chaired/inspired a great session, called ‘Stop to think who matters here, in Davos’. What was interesting was that you said this was probably the most inclusive grouping anywhere on earth, and here we’re talking about those who are excluded from society. Does any of this get back to them?
JIM WALLIS: Well, I gave the closing remarks last year, here at Davos and that’s what I said. I said we have heard a good bit this week about the excluded. We had sessions. Bono was here. Bill Gates was talking. I said ‘this is all good, but let’s be honest about who we are here’. Look around the room. This is, I would say, the most included group of people on the planet – the most included’. The moral test is ‘how do the most included interact with the world’s excluded’ and many of them afterwards were just asking ‘I’m thinking about it but I don’t think of myself as the included’ and that was really true, but hard to hear.